E. Jean Carroll’s lawyer says Donald Trump used a coded expression to call her the “C” word during a deposition before she helped the magazine columnist in his defamation case against the former president. Won $83.3 million in damages.
Roberta Kaplan shared the anecdote on the “George Conway Explains It All” podcast on Friday, saying the incident occurred while Trump was being deposed at his Mar-a-Lago resort and was an unrelated incident that has since been part of a dismissed case in which he faced charges of collusion with a fraudulent marketing firm.
As Kaplan tells it, at the end of the trial, after Trump’s lawyer made sure both sides were off the record, he looked at her and said, “See you next Tuesday.”
This phrase is a well-known, thinly veiled code for perhaps the most offensive misogynistic slur directed at women, combining what sounds like the first two letters of the word – “C” and “U” — and those beginning with the letters “N” and “T.”
Kaplan told Conway that she initially didn’t understand the implications of Trump’s remarks because the two sides were not scheduled to meet this coming Tuesday. “Thank God, I didn’t know what that meant, so I said to him, ‘What are you talking about? I’ll be back on Wednesday,'” Kaplan said. “That’s literally an honest answer. I don’t know what he’s talking about.”
She said that as Kaplan’s colleagues drove away from Trump’s residence, they told her what Trump meant when he said “see you next Tuesday.”
“It’s a teenage boy level joke,” said podcast co-host Sarah Longwell.
Kaplan responded: “If I knew, I would definitely be angry… I look like I’m above everything, but I’m not. I just don’t know.”
Conway, a conservative lawyer who was married to Trump White House adviser Kellyanne Conway, emphasized in Kaplan’s recollection: “So it’s just a great story.”
According to Kaplan, Trump lost his temper when Trump’s legal team offered to provide Kaplan and her colleagues with lunch that day.
“He had a pile of documents and exhibits in front of him, and he took the pile and threw it on the table and stormed out of the room,” Kaplan said.
The suggestion that Trump threw documents on the table particularly brought to mind another anecdote that came up during testimony before a congressional committee investigating the 2020 election loss by supporters of the former president. to Joe Biden following the Capitol attack. A former White House aide testified that Trump angrily threw a plate of food at a White House wall and painted it on Serve with tomato sauce. .
Kaplan’s comments on Friday are also sure to revive criticism of Trump’s mistreatment of women.
Kaplan is representing Carroll in a separate legal case, the former Elle magazine writer who sued Trump, accusing him of sexually abusing her in a department store dressing room in the mid-1990s. Carroll’s lawsuit alleges that Trump then attacked her credibility and defamed her.
On January 26, a New York federal court jury awarded Carroll $18.3 million in damages and $65 million in punitive penalties for Trump’s defamatory remarks against her. On top of those damages, the presumptive 2024 Republican White House nominee was ordered to pay about $5 million in restitution in May after he was found responsible for the abuse of Carroll.
Trump said he intends to appeal the recent conviction against Carroll, who faces more than 90 criminal convictions in different jurisdictions for subverting the 2020 election, unlawfully withholding government secrets after leaving the Oval Office. facing charges. Paying money to an adult film actor with whom he allegedly had extramarital sex.
Kaplan, for her part, appeared on ABC’s “Good Morning America” on Monday and expressed confidence that her team could reverse the verdict against Trump.
“We may not solve the problem in the right way,” she said. “But anyway, he owns a lot of real estate. It can be sold.”
